This week’s show is a special update on our episode, "When White People Say Plantation". The name aside for a minute, I love their range of products. I love the Dark and Stormy, but sometimes I'm just—maybe I've been having a lot of Dark and Stormies. But when you talk frankly like this and you give people an opportunity to digest so much of what has been hidden from them, you’re not only dealing with the impact of learning this for the first time, you’re also processing all the lies you were told. I'm gonna go paint my nails. I didn't question the choice of the name. It's no longer  Plantation Mint. "Plantation" has some negative connotations in the US -- where it has an association with slavery -- and for some in N. Ireland where Scots and English were brought in to supplant the Irish[1]. She tells us that in the time of slavery, the work in Caribbean cane fields was so brutal, the treatment so abusive, that the life expectancy for an enslaved person there was just 3 to 5 years. Across the country, people are pushing to change the names of cities, neighborhoods and gated communities that include the word “plantation.”. It was a big component of a lot of export blends. Especially the pineapple rum. Do you want to do the intro? I’m from New Jersey. Sirup Akane, which is cane sirup here in America. It's just a little kind of dime piece that's cut off the side of the lime. As writer who happens to often to write about food? I can't listen to this anymore. Up until a year or two ago if I heard the word plantation in food someone offered me a dish of plantation chicken or a nice glass of plantation mint tea, that word plantation would immediately conjure for me an image of this old South home with the big white pillars the columns in front and the big wraparound porch. When we went to your bar and I was like, I know there's only one to three ingredients in here but I don't feel I could ever make it taste this good. That for me is the immediate connection. But when you talk frankly like this and you give people an opportunity to digest so much of what has been hidden from them, you’re not only dealing with the impact of learning this for the first time, you’re also processing all the lies you were told. So I was curious if Shannon felt the same way about Plantation Rum. Plantation Mayor Lynn Stoner said the issue of changing the city name was brought up in a recent online town hall, but she has received no formal petition to change the name. Dan Pashman: And Osayi, the change that has brought us together today…Plantation Rum, the product that inspired your piece, it inspired our original episode on this subject, they announced last week that they will be changing the name. Bonbonnet, France (June 29, 2020) – Plantation Rum announces today that its brand name will evolve. And follow her on Instagram @ShannonMustipher. You should drink what you like. Another petition to keep the name had more than 3,000 signatures. Dan Pashman: And I'm Dan Pashman. And sometimes once you tell it, it's like, "Gosh, why did I sit on that for so long?". Gina Raimondo signed an executive order Monday that could change the state's official name to exclude a portion that has ties to slavery. It was a look at the use of the word "plantation" in food branding. My name is Lyla, I am 10 years old and I have been trying to have the name of my street (Plantation Road) changed for the past year. Hold on. , click favorite. Don Poncho formerly worked in Cuba in a government position, in their rum industry. Listen to this line from the website of the history section of the Charleston Tea Garden's website. Dan Pashman: Yeah, the state of Rhode Island changed its name. And there are five places listed here, Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad, Guyana, and Panama. Every country, every culture, every religion, every ethnic group, every tribe has some stories that get passed down from one generation to the next. Watermelon Cucumber Mint Cold Water Infusion Caffeine Free Herbal Tea 108 TB (case of 6 boxes) Mint Medley Herbal Tea - Case of 6 boxes- total of 120 tea bags. Like your reasons? And I have to say, having that kind of conversation with a white man and to be so thoughtfully listened to, it was refreshing for me. And it's actually a relief and a salve that the truth is healing, I think. That's always been my philosophy. And over cocktails made with Plantation Rum, you said…. I mean, you know? And Dan, you know I have mixed feelings about using the word "plantation" in branding. And it's just kind of like a superficial glossing over. Well, who is doing the harvesting? As you know we embarked on this journey years ago. I just want to read a bit from the press release just to give folks an idea of the announcement. Osayi Endolyn: Yeah, Shannon is at the intersection of all of this. I'm just relating to what you're saying, that it can be hard. That's Saturday July 18th. I am using linux mint 19.2 cinnamon edition . Mark Shuttleworth and Robert Collins were discussing about the first version of Ubuntu. Is that still the appropriate title? Dan Pashman: So what's...food writers? Plantation Rum confirms that its rum production methods and the liquid inside the bottle will not change. "In the late 1700s, tea bushes first arrived in the Unites States from China. Ms. Koster, 42, who raised her three children in Plantation, described the city as vibrant but said its name dulled some of the city’s luster. I'm just relating to what you're saying, that it can be hard. As you know we embarked on this journey years ago.”. Today, Hilton Head is a resort town with developments and gated communities whose names often have the word “plantation” in them. Dharyl Auguste started a petition on change.org to garner support. Now, we did reach out to Bigelow, they declined to be interviewed for this episode, but they did send us a statement which reads, "We have agreed for a long time that we need to all recognize and respect the fact our history clearly shows why the name 'plantation' needed to change. And this is true of a lot of distillation in the American South. Br.J Psychol. And one of the recurring themes is sort of like, we must keep telling the stories so that people don't forget that it happened. It's expensive. Some of you may be familiar with Uncle Nearest. Several attempts were made in South Carolina over the next 150 years to propagate and produce tea for consumption, but none were successful." What could I do? It's more about glorifying the land the product is derived from. Uncle Nearest is a project that was started maybe three or four years ago to draw attention to the fact that the formula for Jack Daniel's was in fact created by an African-American gentleman and that he and his family oversight a distillery for at least three generations. The brand pledges to work with its stakeholders on this initiative and will communicate more specific details at a later date. I know what your reasons are. So Osayi, I know you you've known Shannon Mustipher for a while. The word has long been used in the food industry to conjure images of a romanticized, whitewashed American South, even though it has no specific culinary meaning (think “Plantation Mint Tea” or “Plantation Chicken”). For too long has the City of Plantation allowed for its name to be a symbol of its racist confederate past. Thanks. Gina Raimondo of Rhode Island said last month. I mean, I would love to live in a world where we don't romanticize what plantation means and I want people to be conscious of when they choose to use that word because of that. Like they're pretty straightforward about like what is motivating this change. Dan Pashman: And people can find details on those events on your social media, on Instagram and Twitter. Although they call them servants, they’re not saying they’re slaves but that’s exactly what they were. When we went to your bar and I was like, I know there's only one to three ingredients in here but I don't feel I could ever make it taste this good. 20 individually foil wrapped tea bags per box. I mean, I just want the story to reflect what actually happened. Anyway, here’s the point: When people use the word "plantation" in the name of their food product in order to evoke warm and fuzzy feelings, whether or not they mean to, they are contributing to an ongoing whitewashing -- the perpetuating of a myth. We use only the finest mountain-grown black tea blended with natural spearmint. I'm gonna go paint my nails. The Sporkful and Eat More Better are registered trademarks of Dan Pashman. Shannon Mustipher: No. What are they trying to evoke? I felt some sadness that it takes so much to get what feels to be such symbolic gestures. At the meeting, Ms. Stoner criticized an interview that Mr. Auguste had recently given on CNN, saying that “he didn’t do real well.” (She later apologized.) I don’t know that I want to celebrate and partake in a spirit that seems to be, in some way that I’m not clear about, calling forth a history where people who looked like me and people who made this rum were enslaved, and subjected to mental and emotional and physical and sexual abuse over generations and generations. Bigelow Perfectly Mint (Formerly Plantation Mint) 120 TB SKU 99189 We are excited to share that we changed the name of our tea to Perfectly Mint® which better reflects the perfect blend of American grown mint and tea. Now, that word doesn’t refer to specific spices or cooking methods, it doesn’t tell you anything about a food or drink but it still pops up all the time. That's not to defend all the myths. And so it was news to him, in a sense, to be approached with the framing of this terrible history of oppression in the United States. Stay with us. Get out of here. And then also, this got less attention, but Bigelow also owns the. Dan Pashman: You can imagine, some music underneath you that like... Dan Pashman: Yeah, yeah. And there's a quote here from Alexandre, “As the dialog on racial equality continues globally, we understand the hurtful connotation the word, "plantation", can evoke to some people. And the reason for that is that you really just want that the oils more than you want the juice inflection there. We're putting this episode together quickly. The sort of the, "As you know...". I love the Dark and Stormy, but sometimes I'm just—maybe I've been having a lot of Dark and Stormies. Johnson, A. J. and Miles, C. Chewing gum and context-dependent memory: the independent roles of chewing gum and mint flavour. Yeah. It’s about removing the mythology and being responsible for the real history. Osayi Endolyn: I always love chatting with Shannon, I wish I was having her Painkiller right now. It's not like a Control-Z on the keyboard, right? Last Name. Every country, every culture, every religion, every ethnic group, every tribe has some stories that get passed down from one generation to the next. And then for, let's say, a Spanish style rum I tend toward Panamanian rums because they tend to take the lead from old Cuban styles of production. Stop. September 16, 2020. with no fanfare whatsoever. Havana Club. Alright? So what's...food writers? Well, some of us react negatively. In Hilton Head, because the developments and resorts are privately owned, the onus is on the owners and investors to make any name changes. One of the things I've been thinking about lately, you know, I'm Jewish and I grew up learning about the Holocaust. And it's a lot. I mean the easiest thing to do. And, specifically, if she talked about the name with guests. I mean, it wasn't jarring for me in that, you know, it's a fact that sugar cane plantations are where the first examples around were produce. Yeah. Inspired by the social unrest spurred by the death of Mr. Floyd, a Black man who died after a Minneapolis police officer pinned him to the ground by the neck for more than eight minutes, Mr. Auguste started a petition to change the name of Plantation. Let me tell you. Now, if you want to try another cocktail altogether that you like, I would go with the Planter's Punch, which follows a very similar template and it's super easy. Got it. To Rename Computer in Linux Mint and Change PC Host Name, do the following. The Plantation name change petition already has more than 3,000 signatures. And there are five places listed here, Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad, Guyana, and Panama. But we wanted to get this episode out soon after the Plantation Rum announcement and we couldn’t make that happen on such short notice. English style rums tend to be a little kind of like heavier bodied, a little earthier, a little less sweet. We’ll put a pin in that idea. If you're listening on Stitcher, click favorite. Dan Pashman: So how do you think of yourself? Yeah. It’s a slap in the face. The sort of the, "As you know...". Osayi Endolyn: Thank you! 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